Down South
Open Sesame

ja_la said on Thursday, 27 January 2011:
I gotcha. The sample in Open Sesame (0:00) is clean and without distinguishing characteristics to say it indeed belongs to TROY (0:15). I now have a better understanding of what to do in the future with these types of ambiguous samples. I'll report Today as the correct source and leave the other saxophone at 0:22 for some other audiophiles to ID.

MrBlondNYC said on Thursday, 27 January 2011:
Let me clarify, that the liner notes are not the only way of telling. There are other ways of telling a sample of a sample but in this case I don't any other way of telling. It's clean sample with no lyrics or other added effects that may have been in TROY.

MrBlondNYC said on Thursday, 27 January 2011:
I get that but unless it is credited in the liner notes that it was sampled from TROY, we have no way of proving that they didn't take it from the original. In these cases we always credit the original. I still don't get how if the sax licks AREN'T in TROY, that means TROY was sampled. The way I see it, the other sax licks could come from another song on Tom Scott's album. Oftentimes, numerous tracks from the same album will be sampled for one song.

ja_la said on Thursday, 27 January 2011:
The sax licks in question are definitely not in TROY. As you said the 0:22 saxophone is probably from a different song altogether, as I can't seem to find it in Today. I'm guessing that due to the release dates and to TROY's popularity, it is more likely the source used by Down South. I would concede that Today could be used in Open Sesame, but from a production standpoint, the sample is so short it woulda been easier for them to lift it from Pete Rock. Hope that explains my thought process.

MrBlondNYC said on Wednesday, 26 January 2011:
I don't understand how the second set of sax licks makes this a sample of TROY when the licks don't appear in that song. It is possible they sampled Today and another song, isn't it?

ja_la said on Wednesday, 26 January 2011:
At 0:22 there is another set of saxophone licks, so I'm not sure if Down South sampled directly from Tom Scott. I'm assuming the original source was well known at that time, so it is possible. I've listened to the California Dreamers track, and can't pick out any specific correlation with those notes, especially the high one. Let me know if you disagree.