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Bigg Boss Luciano said on Wednesday, 20 October 2010:
"Rap is an art you can't own no loops/It's how you hook em up and the RHYME STYLE troop" I know that this line is gettin' played out but it's the truth. Plus Dre flipped it in a whole different style than Rza, comparin' those two is like comparin' Barry White to Marvin Gaye, both are legends but their style is totally different.

MrBlondNYC said on Wednesday, 20 October 2010:
I'm guessing a lot of people here don't really know Dr. Dre's track record even though they could learn just by clicking his name. They only know him as the guy with Eminem. You must have "Forgot About Dre" if you're gonna debate over whether an African-American rapper/producer in his late-40's would have 70's soul in his collection.

Bboom Bap said on Wednesday, 20 October 2010:
Is this Em/ Labi Siffre discussion still going on??? Good lord. Yes, Dre grew up in the '70's, he was mostly inspired by the P-Funk ere, cats like Parliament, Funkadelic and Bootsy Collins. He DJ'd for a short period of time and was part of an electro/ Hip-Hop group in the erly '80's. Who's to say what records are and aren't on his shelve? Has anybody on this discussion board actually dug in the mans shelves and crates and verified what he does and does not have?

Stop with the silly comments that are pure assumption that aren't based on anything factual already. Peace.

MrBlondNYC said on Wednesday, 20 October 2010:
Dr. Dre grew up in the 70's so I doubt he needed his parents to put him on to 70's music. He could just turn on the radio. His parents would have put him onto 50's and 60's music but he doesn't seem to sample much from that era.

FoggyDayz said on Wednesday, 20 October 2010:
@tick I'll definitely trying digging deeper :) all my buds are annoyed that I like 90's and early 00's hip hop LOL only a few rappers today I like (Drake, Little Brother, Mos Def, Jay-Z)

tick said on Wednesday, 20 October 2010:
@Foggydayz I wasn't referring to you then :) although reading back not many people said it...

And I agree entirely that your parents musical taste can have a strong influence., that is certainly where a lot of the music I like comes from.

There are plenty of producers out there still making great hip hop, you just need to dig a bit :)

FoggyDayz said on Wednesday, 20 October 2010:
@tick, I never said Dr. Dre didn't have it in his portfolio; in fact, I said these producers did know them from looking at their parents' era of music. For instance, I wasn't around when New Edition first came out. I wasn't aware of their first four albums because.....well, I didn't exist. But my parents showed me all the music they liked back then, music that their parents showed them included, like Stevie Wonder, Michael jackson, Prince---and that's how I found out bout them. I was pointing out that Dr. Dre's parents might have had a role in broadening his musical viewpoint.

Now, if only more producers did the same today.......then HIP POP would be less unbearable to listen to.

tick said on Tuesday, 19 October 2010:
oh yeah and RZA on sampling "[I use] the sampler more like a painter's palette than a Xerox. Then again, I might use it as a Xerox if I find rare beats that nobody had in their crates yet""

tick said on Tuesday, 19 October 2010:
I'd love to know why people are so sure Dre wouldn't have Labi Siffre in his record collection. Who do you guys think Dr Dre is?

Like him or not, the fact is he has been at or close to the heart of hip hop for almost 30 years. He was one of the fathers of gangsta rap, and later G-Funk.

'It'"s cool to use this method, as long as you balance it out with your own stuff, too. Instead of always sampling, try being inspired by a hot song and CREATE something similar. "

Which is exactly what Dre does- "I may hear something I like on an old record that may inspire me, but I'd rather use musicians to re-create the sound or elaborate on it. I can control it better.", and I think most people would agree that Dre has certainly be an innovator rather than a follower.

That said, he may have just heard RZA use it. But it would look at home on either of their record collections IMO. I reckon RZA has probably had almost as much influence as Dre on Hip Hop in the last 20 years. Certainly not from an outsider/non hip-hop fan's perspective, they probably have never heard of him, but within.

FoggyDayz said on Monday, 18 October 2010:
@Mr.BlondNYC, it's hilarious how a simple thing like what radio station you listen to can give away your location. :)

MrBlondNYC said on Monday, 18 October 2010:
@ FoggyDayz, Z100, huh? Nice to meet a fellow NYer.

DJ Anubis said on Monday, 18 October 2010:
Not wanting to open up an old discussion, but there ARE a lot of ignorant HipHopfans who think Akon is topdog.. had a friend of mine tell me that "everything in 8 Mile came straight out of the life of Eminem"... These are the guys that DO think the HipHop artist on the front cover does everything himself, they never even heard of a producer... In short: crediting the producers was needed at that time (and thank god we have that now, this dicussion probably had something to do with it). Nice one guys, read some very valid points here ;)
I'm not gonna talk about the "brilliance" of this sample, I think another point was: Dre doesn't have Labi Siffre in his collection, well reading all comments now, he probably heard it from RZA and THEN went searching... so the real cratedigger on this sample was RZA, not Em, not Dre... But that's now all to be discovered in the samplechain.

FoggyDayz said on Monday, 18 October 2010:
(looks down...) wow. you're right, smuttysy; you did get some grief for this.

i agree with him, though; this was all Dr. Dre's doing.

Also, I'd like to point out that all these producers find these songs to sample either from looking at the list of hits from back in the day and recycling them, or hearing the songs from their own parents music libraries. I don't know if this song by Labi Siffre was a hit, but it sure is hot, and Dr. Dre knew that, so he took the dopest part of the song and reused it for em's song. It's cool to use this method, as long as you balance it out with your own stuff, too. Instead of always sampling, try being inspired by a hot song and CREATE something similar.

this is why i love this site. if more young peeps looked up who sampled what, they'd delve deeper into the history of all music and discover more than what Z100's pushing out. i've never heard of labi siffre till i came on this site.

tick said on Friday, 04 June 2010:
hahah what a funny discussion. never looked at this page. I never knew wu tang used this track either, and I know the song, interesting, even listening to it now it is hard to spot the connection.

MrBlondNYC said on Thursday, 03 June 2010:
Well, let's not forget that Dr. Dre didn't always have a team of co-producers and musicians by his side. He produced most of NWA's catalog himself and that was full of samples and he also did a little album called The Chronic. He's been producing since the early 80's so let's not act like he lacks ideas or doesn't know what to do behind the boards.

walter said on Thursday, 03 June 2010:
Well put, mr B from NYC... I was only weaken the argument that most people seem to think Dr Dre's record shelf is full of old obscure and foreign vinyl stuff, I have my doubts there. In the case of someone like Beck or Fatboy Slim, I should definitely say yes.

MrBlondNYC said on Thursday, 03 June 2010:
The discussion wasn't about who used it first. And being first doesn't necessarily make that producer's song any more "brilliant" than ones that followed. According to this site, James Brown's "Funky Drummer" was first sampled by a group called The Most in "Some More". Doesn't make that song any better or less "brilliant" than NWA's "f*** the Police" or Public Enemy's "Rebel Without a Pause" or any of the millions of songs that sampled it since. Sampling is about taking pre-exisiting songs and making it your own. The same applies to using samples that have been used already.

walter said on Thursday, 03 June 2010:
Exactly, if there is something I learned from this site, this is it... I don't want to put down any rappers or producers, but when I look into all these "brilliant sampling" in hit versions, I always encounter an older use of the same obscure (French or not) record from the 60s/70s by some lesser god(s).

eihaymer said on Thursday, 03 June 2010:
everyone's talking about how Dre found this sample but it was clearly used on Wu-Tang Clan's Can It All Be So Smple 6 years before. Rza just slowed the loop down whereas Dre didnt

MrBlondNYC said on Saturday, 26 September 2009:
I seriously doubt you ran into anyone who "adamantly and aggressively defends" that Eminem creates all of his beats himself. Dr. Dre is the most famous hip-hop producer around and pretty much everyone knows that Eminem was his protege. Dre's name is all over Eminem's albums and songs almost to the point of overkill. They were on damn near every TV show, paper, mag, cereal box, together. It seems you created this argument out of concern that Eminem's producers do not get the proper credit due to him being a media sensation. No need to worry, my friend. I think most people with even a passing knowledge of Eminem or even hip-hop in general knows that he and most rappers do not produce all of their beats themselves.

SmuttySy said on Saturday, 26 September 2009:
I think this may be getting a little out of hand, and my comments being taken a little out of context. While I am competely in agreement with anyone who states the obvious, in that this track was released by Eminem, and therefore attributable to him for the submission, the mastermind behind the whole deal here is Dr Dre. (This was not something that I knew personally until the follow-up comments)
Now I'm not suggesting that everything be changed to make it so that the producer gets the credit (at least three quarters of the submissions would become invalid immediately if this were implemented) I merely stated a, now proven true, observation that there was a higher power involved than the Em behind it. I'm not really a hip-hop person and yes, I can't see the appeal of Eminem, but I do appreciate when a sample is used in an innovative way, and this does fill that criteria very well.

asymmetry said on Saturday, 26 September 2009:
I disagree on the point of the site.

I mean it's clear that you understand your samples, and the whole process, I mean, I took a look at your submissions, you have a lot.

Anyway, I'm sure you recognize that the form for sample submission does not have a "Produced by" field. Just performing artists. Of course Eminem didn't produce this. There are songs he HAS produced, but this wasn't one of them, and you can hear a definite difference. He has a very...."dirty" approach to his sampling, always a bit rough around the edges. I wouldn't go so far as to say what he does or doesn't have in his collection, simply because it's speculation. People get exposed to new music every day.

Anyway, Dre did the production, as we all should know. I don't get the argument. Did anyone say Em sampled it? I don't see it. Someone did state the obvious that it's Eminem's song, so that's why it's filed under Eminem. It would be cool if you could get a database of producers going too, but I think the list would become pretty obscure then, and collaborations/ghost producing would come into play and it would get really messy.

SmuttySy said on Saturday, 26 September 2009:
It's kinda a point of "who" sampled the track discussion, and from the comments we now know that "technically" eminem didn't sample it, rather Dr Dre sampled it. I think that's basically confirmed what you're saying anyway.
I know that some people are so deluded that they'll adamantly, and aggressively defend, the thought that Eminem is a complete genius and nobody else is involved in his work when it's simply not true.

MrBlondNYC said on Saturday, 26 September 2009:
I'm not sure what the point of this thread is other than someone doesn't like Eminem, which is fine. Most hip-hop producers create the beats then present them to the artists who then pick and choose. I don't see how Eminem having this in his collection is relevant and I'm not sure what the argument is about here. What if he had pick the sample himself? What would that mean?

Abstruse said on Wednesday, 23 September 2009:
Dr Dre sampled this beat n when Em came into the studio was asked to pick a few beats to spit over for an album (i believe it was the slim shady LP) n this is one of the ones he picked.. FACT, i seen it on some documentary n they were both talkin bout it.... you can all squabble all you want but thats what went down lol now shush

SmuttySy said on Sunday, 13 September 2009:
Whoa there! This is a valid discussion and diving in with both feet with an aggressive, if misdirected, defense before taking in the comments will get you nowhere. Yes, Eminem performed (on) it (well, he talked over it) but the original was made by Labi Siffre - That's why it's under that name, (not the producer of that track either lol)

That's the basis of what this site is all about, finding out who really made the samples that we assume these genius' have come up with all by themselves. (sorry, might have to go shoot something for putting genius close to the name Eminem)
The fact of the matter is this - 'E' probably "spat sum dope rhymes" without any backing track, this could have been dumped over any riff in the world and someone found this one at a yard sale or something. The sample is on a relatively obscure track, and quite some way in too.
Read the comments, form a valid and constructive opinion, then post your comments rather than the "f*** off, Em did it, it's his!" approach, which just makes you look silly in amongst the constructive comments posted all around you.
I also don't believe his Dido sample was somewhere in his collection, in the same way that I don't think anybody should have a copy of any Dido album, unless you've just been dumped by someone - then it seems to make perfect sense.

VVho said on Sunday, 13 September 2009:
this is EMINEM's song so thats why its under EMINEM.. not the producers.. or the person who found the sample

SmuttySy said on Wednesday, 02 September 2009:
I just can't see it, in th same way that I don't believe he has Dido in his collection either. If his style of music more closely matched the samples he used I would be more inclined to believe it.
Take a look over the stuff that Fatboy Slim uses and you'll see what I mean, you can tell that Norman (teehee) has those records himself by the way they're reformed in his tracks.

emilbus said on Wednesday, 02 September 2009:
of course it was dre... and who knows it could have very well been eminem... why wouldnt he know about this track?...

theplantyherbs said on Sunday, 30 August 2009:
Dr. Dre did this beat all right..

econogirl said on Friday, 07 August 2009:
I am going to go with a no Eminem may not have found this track to sample but I belive Dr. Dre produced this track. Now HECK YEAH! I believe he (Dr. Dre) found the track!

SmuttySy said on Wednesday, 05 August 2009:
I don't care how much grief this gets me - There's no way that Eminem found this sample in amongst his record collection. Someone went off sample scouting for him on this one. Sorry, but I simply don't believe it.
Nonetheless, it is very clever.