St. Germain
Forget It

krygermeister said on Saturday, 15 May 2010:
In my opinion it would be perfect if you could show the connection as early as on the search results page, something like "St. Germain sampled from ATCQ, but that beat was in fact made by Junior Mance, don't be deceived".

BTW. "St. Germain" should be merged with "St Germain"

tick said on Saturday, 15 May 2010:
The more important sample is the sample that is being sanpled!
i.e in this case it is the Mance track, as that is the element St Germain sampled, and what this page is about.

On the Das EFX page there would be no need to make the mance sample more prominent as it is not the sample in question but just another sample on the chain.

Just need to think of a good way to add the connection in there.

MrBlondNYC said on Friday, 14 May 2010:
spy in the cab, how would we determine which sample should be listed more prominently when there are multiple samples? As I see it now, Mance is listed on top anyway since his song was released earlier. But different people may have different views on which sample is more important.

kidwho said on Friday, 14 May 2010:
Hi guys, interesting discussion here. I have to say after several listens that I agree with MrBlondNYC, it sounds far more like a direct lift from ATCQ than from the original break. @krygermeister: Above all, we want the information displayed on the site to be accurate, and I don't feel that this connection is any less interesting - on the contrary, I think it's great to see that St. Germain (who we already know are on top of their dusty blues, jazz and funk breaks and samples) were also listening to ATCQ. @spy in the cab: we'll bear this in mind for future site improvements! Thanks guys

spy in the cab said on Thursday, 13 May 2010:
I think you are both right, but maybe the first original sample could appear more clearly than in the sample chain way (which gets complicated when the song uses a lot of samples). Besides, it's more a direct sample in this case than an interpolation.

MrBlondNYC said on Wednesday, 12 May 2010:
That's why we have the sample chain. So you can go He sampled it from ATCQ but where they sample it from? It's there at the bottom. It's not about cracks and pops, its just about being accurate as to where the artist sampled it from. Since we can easily tell that the artist sampled it from ATCQ that how it's listed or else you would have to believe that St Germain sampled the original Junior Mance record and added the same effect, chopped it the same way and put it to the same bpm, which is possible but not likely.

krygermeister said on Wednesday, 12 May 2010:
Well, I'm not sure if it doesn't make this site TOO academic and technical. Even though it may be accurate in this case, I don't think it's very interesting for a 'casual' listener; I'm always surprised to learn that most of the awesome breaks comes from the 70s, no matter how modern they sound and this is the main reason for me to browse WhoSampled. Plus, doesn't this open the door for not always easily verifiable submissions, like in "Does Tricky - Hell Is Round The Corner sample from Portishead - Glory Box, or directly from Isaac Hayes?" Or should both potential matches be submitted? Sure, you could count the exact number of vinyl crackles or do a spectral analysis to make sure, but it doesn't feel right. Also, I believe an important part is to give credits to the original break-recording artist (I'm sure this would be a part of WhoSampled's mission statement, if it had one :))

MrBlondNYC said on Wednesday, 12 May 2010:
Altougth Quest did sample the drums, this sounds like a direct sample from Quest's sample. The effects and the chopping and the tempo is exactly the same in St. Germain's song.

krygermeister said on Wednesday, 12 May 2010:
This is incorrect, the original song is by Junior Mance, ATCQ sampled his song.