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The Winstons

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  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 3 years ago:

    2011, anyone?

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    Almost at 200, have to dig through around 50 more tracks... but not today, I'm taking a break now (one that's not Amen :P).

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    179 samples at the moment, not far from 200 now... :D

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    Now up to 135, we're slowly crawling towards 150 samples!

    By the way, I found a nice collection of pre-chopped and pre-filtered Amen Breaks. Great for producers and sample spotters!
    http://www.rhythm-lab.com/huge-amen-breaks-collection

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    120 now... That's a lot with only one song.

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    I added 2010, yay!

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    Come on, producers! Spice up your tracks with some Amen sauce!

  • SmuttySy
    SmuttySy said 4 years ago:

    I'd always verify something myself before submitting, evenmoreso when it's from a blog or database somewhere as there's bound to be inaccuracies or personal interpretations. Thankfully, I didn't put that list together myself and only listened to a handful, which all checked out.

  • Spinks
    Spinks said 4 years ago:

    If any sample listed seems wrong please flag it to WhoSampled Support and we'll review it. Please remember everyone that you shouldn't list samples of individual drum hits - there are too many to list and they're often hard to verify. Only submit drum loops that are clearly identifiable and contain all or most of the original elements of the loop.

  • tick
    tick said 4 years ago:

    if all those recent submissions were from that list, I would question the list. I couldn't really hear it in any of them. Maybe they chopped and changed it completely, but they don't even sound like the same elements.

  • stationary unit
    stationary unit said 4 years ago:

    I've filled in the gap for 1987 with a 2 Live Crew song, now 2010's only missing.

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    @MrBlondNYC: got it from SmuttySy's list... wasn't too sure about it, but it did sounded similar to me. But if isn't correct, please remove it.

  • MrBlondNYC
    MrBlondNYC said 4 years ago:

    Xanadu, it may be the "Amy break" but it sure as hell ain't the "Amen break".

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    2010 is also missing!

  • DJ Anubis
    DJ Anubis said 4 years ago:

    Thanks guys, we reached 100.. Since you guys know what you're doing, no releases in 1987 with this one? It's the only gap we currently have.

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    I added the break in Amy Winehouse's You Know I'm No Good as a replayed sample... I'd call it the Amy Break ^^

  • SmuttySy
    SmuttySy said 4 years ago:

    I'd also say if anyone feels like running through my oldskool submissions to extract from there go right ahead, there be rich pickin's to be gotten from there, yahaarrrr! (don't ask me why I just wrote that, the gerbil in my head just pulled the wrong wire)

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    Just added the Technoheads sample in "Hippy" ;) 9 more to 100! @SmuttySy: Great list! Wow, even Unreal Tournament composers sampled the Amen Break! One of my favorite games ever...

  • SmuttySy
    SmuttySy said 4 years ago:

    I've found a blog with a list of tracks using the Amen, if anyone wants to have a look through and see what's missing from here. Link - http://soundstatements.blogspot.com/2010/01/tracks-that-use-amen-break-by-winstons.html

  • stationary unit
    stationary unit said 4 years ago:

    25 volumes. And if you count the unofficial ones, 29.

  • DJ Anubis
    DJ Anubis said 4 years ago:

    Thx Stationary, I def should check those Ultimate Breaks and Beats collection... How many are there? Maybe by the end I finally know the differences between all these breakbeats, I have to learn ^^

  • stationary unit
    stationary unit said 4 years ago:

    Stetsasonic's track samples the trumpet that comes right before the break, and not the break itself. Salt-n-Pepa's track samples both the break and that trumpet. I'd suggest that both tracks just found out about "Amen, Brother" due to it being included "Ultimate Breaks and Beats 1", released in 1986. I'll keep looking for more tracks that sample the break, and maybe I'll come up with something pre-1986.

  • DJ Anubis
    DJ Anubis said 4 years ago:

    Does anyone know who used it first? At this moment it's between Salt-N-Pepa & Stetsasonic (only 12 more to having been sampled 100 times :)

  • TheSublimeSupine
    TheSublimeSupine said 4 years ago:

    Yeah Xanadu I know that. Most DnB headz nowadays would roll their eyes if you played the amen break at a club, it's more that tech type DnB. But submit any tune from the mid to late-90s and it's Ayyyyyyymeen.

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    There are several new DnB samples that do not solely sample Amen Bro'.

  • TheSublimeSupine
    TheSublimeSupine said 4 years ago:

    I've noticed a few more DnB ones going up. It's like "awesome, a new sample, oh wait, it's just Amen." lol

  • Xanadu
    Xanadu said 4 years ago:

    I've added a few Drum 'n Bass/Jungle tracks to the list... :D

  • DJ Anubis
    DJ Anubis said 4 years ago:

    TBH I think the only way to go is grouping some samples together just for the lay-out (as you suggested Sublime)... In stead of EVERY sample linked to be stated under it, it would be great if it was indeed split up in Drum samples/Vocal Samples/... (with a + if you want to see those particular samples)... Will be A LOT easier to link other records and we don't have to worry about overfilling a track with it's samples. Btw: don't forget people come on here to search for a track, if it's not linked to it's samples, they might think the sampling artist came up with this Amen break for instance and think that song is an original, if you see where I'm going at

  • TheSublimeSupine
    TheSublimeSupine said 4 years ago:

    Hey Sy - yeah, it's unwieldy looking through a list of samples by an artist who is mainly known for a drum break. Perhaps in future their listing could be separated along those lines (drums, riff, melody, etc.)

    What I have done, and will keep doing is if I submit a sample for a riff or vocal or something, and that same track also samples a drum break, I'll submit that too to kind of "fill" in that particular submission. But I'm not about to go and submit a bunch of old-ass DnB tracks that use Amen haha.

  • SmuttySy
    SmuttySy said 4 years ago:

    I was just as surprised as you about this. I'm an oldskool raver and almost every single track of the genre from 1991 to 1994 had the amen break, but I'm not about to go submitting every track I know just to get the rating on here up. I stick away from submitting drumloops purely because some artists will become saturated with these submissions and there may be other parts of the track sampled that will become lost in the huge list.
    I was actually more surprised by the fact that the Lyn Collins "Think" break didn't even feature in the blog at all, despite being just as widely used as "Amen" and "Funky Drummer".

  • TheSublimeSupine
    TheSublimeSupine said 4 years ago:

    Just thinking about the WS blog and how this break isn't listed as number 1. I'm just wondering how mods want to play this. I'm a big Jungle and DnB fan, so could get together like 350 submissions of this... but how boring is that ?

    @Mods - should we submit every damn track of DnB and Jungle that ever used this to try to get near to the number of times it has actually been used over the last 20 years, or should we forget that thankless task and just add examples from more popular tracks ?

  • bikstok
    bikstok said 5 years ago:

    some in depth info about the amen break, very insightful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac

  • SmuttySy
    SmuttySy said 5 years ago:

    Amen Brother is the genesis of pretty much all rave music from the 90's and has been sampled by more artists and acts over the years then would be possible to list on here. There's probably a billion more examples of that famous drum solo on records than there are of the James Brown vocal stabs that tended to litter the mirriad of sampled music over the decadces.
    As the 'net video says "six seconds from a B-side record that changed the face of music forever"
    Now repeat after me - "Our sample, who art from Winstons. Amen Brother thy name, forever and ever, thank you"

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